My other research kind of pointed to what you're alluding to and obviously I'll go into it with an open mind but I really appreciate the insight! You might be skeptical, but you also might be able to make a lot of money helping people which is a win-win, so you might check it out further. I've heard stories about Edward Jones, but I can only speak to NWM. and soon enough he'll come to the conclusion on his own that he's being played, and then he'll leave. Advice on getting in with a good firm: honestly, I think you should get that CFP and make it a top priority. I had a friend work there. Its why the fail rate is so high. Note: this career path isn't all bad. Northwestern Mutual is a big recognizable name and therefore most people trust them implicitly, but it's a shit company. He showed me some info on his iPad, looked good. He calls you on the phone to go over your numbers (you were supposed to meet in person, but he left the office for the day). It's at least worth googling, and it actually doesn't look too bad when you search online! And to be frank, you need to leverage your friends in the business to get in at a great firm. And you'll know all about how the dividend of NWM whole life fucks the ass out of any other investment product...tax-free!! Any advice on how to get in with a good firm would be appreciated. I bet they wouldn't even be able to tell you specific details about the products, because they're just regurgitating bullshit their manager-coach (who failed out of the business and is now training them) told them to say. And I thought Vector/Cutco was bad! All ratings are subject to change. Each rep would say being a fiduciary is neat, but the products speak for themselves. The cons of pros Like a lot of financial firms, Northwestern Mutual is criticized for its aggressive sales tactics. Whole life insurance is useful in the exceptional case where someone has more assets than are covered by the estate tax exemption (~$5.45 million). At least that's what I did. its more the business than anything. In short, the answer to your question is yes. He is committed to his path, and doesn't want to admit that he made a mistake. A lot of independent firms have reps who began in large firms, so I will definitely give them credit for that. Thank you! You've been trained to know this. He insists I'm being rash. If you play your cards right, you can end up at a good, fee-only firm that doesn't rip off their clients. If so, do not do it. Send him to this topic. I've seen a few posts asking about working as a financial rep at Northwestern Mutual, so I thought I'd write about my experience there. He said ok and that was that. The Northwestern Mutual Internship has been named one of Americas Top Ten Internships by Vault for 20 consecutive years. He keeps talking about how term and especially whole life insurance, should fit in with everyone's budget, because they need it. Press J to jump to the feed. You're welcome. And some of the joint work partners make mistakes! Jobs. My brother who convinced me to meet his NWM "friend," a financial rep. We meet once, he gives me a breakdown of the different types of accounts. I trust my brother, but I think he's fully drank their cool aid. You started strong, but now you haven't closed much business. We are pleased to present the 2016 Top College Intern Achievement Award to Alex Meduna of the Tews Network Office. Since they recruit new reps on college campuses, maybe this will be useful to one or two people. I don't know how you'll sleep at night knowing that you're giving the people you know and love (and the people they know and love) an overpriced product with high commissions. That's just how the world works, at least where I live. Pros. If you want to try again to get him to figure it out, go along with his idea to "help you". Northwestern Mutual Financial Network is the marketing name for the sales and distribution arm of The Northwestern Mutual Life Agree with them. The recruiters are incentivized to bring you on board, of course, so they'll tell you about all the money you can make (which is true, in theory), and since they've already drank the kool-aid or they wouldn't be there, they will be very excited about NWM. However, I am grateful for NYLs training program -- I feel strongly that it's the best in the industry. Most permanent life insurance really is dogshit. Plus, in 2020 Vault ranked us #5 within the financial services industry and also ranked us in the top 10 for overall career development. Next morning I emailed and text him to cancel the plan. Then check out this video about Northwestern Mutual's college internship program. Join our community, read the PF Wiki, and get on top of your finances! The new agents bring in friends and families until their network is exhausted and then they wash out. Cons Some cons of working at Northwestern Mutual is that it is a very hard business and if you don’t give yourself enough time to figure it out, you will fail. It's time for your quarterly reviews with the Managing Partner who is never around. Most of the ongoing training sessions are still just about how to sell, not about what it actually is you're selling. Technically it's not a finance job, but my guess is that people will search for it (as I did). Buy term and save the difference between the term premium and the whole life premium. You've been told by your coach that Mass Mutual sucks, and your non-compete clause won't let you take your clients with you, but at least they don't have a non-compete and they even give you leads and people to call. But I would add that the fail rate is high because of the reason you stated but also because a few people realize what they're doing is wrong. Not many downsides, but it is a very demanding job especially early in your career. You'll use these new tactics to convince people you know who are "centers of influence" to meet with you and let you pick through their network so you can help all of their friends with this great new career you've started. Term insurance is just fine. To Apply: Please forward a copy of your resume to: Alexa Slack Internship Director Northwestern Mutual (954) 535-9136 alexa.slack@nm.com Hey did they at any point drug test you? Make a post, that night he called me for my bank account info. It is not a scam, if you do your research you will realize it is a very impressive company with an unbelievable track record. As someone on a career search, this was very insightful. During the training period, which lasts about a week, you'll learn more about this great company, directly from the people who have succeeded there in your area. Many, such as Merrill Lynch (NYSE:MER), even … If you're a prospective intern, they'll show you literature about how it's one of the best internships in the nation. If you're thinking about going to law school, they'll tell you how law school is saturated whereas the financial services industry has a lot of people on the verge of retirement (this is true). And you'll help solidify your own future, too. Not bad!! Wow, I literally posted about interviewing with Northwestern Mutual yesterday, that's interesting. He seems to be getting brainwashed and being given awful financial advice. The world is an uncertain, uncertain void, and no one knows where the market goes, right? The management team or "coaches" and all are very likeable people. That will earn your friend a big commission. Their employees are simply considered cogs to get more people on their life insurance policies, and working for them is no more than a glorified door to door salesman, disguised by "fancy" words such as "dividends" and other garbage. You don't want to give 50% of your money to the joint-work partners, so you've been doing more cases on your own, and you just can't close as much business. (If you're really special, they'll give you a gift card to a mediocre restaurant once you start.). It's a lot more work, but you'll be more marketable. NWM focuses on teaching a very narrow sales pitch to sell high fee life insurance products, more often than not crappy for their clients. View Disclosures Hide Disclosures . It is a hedge against you dying and leaving your dependents destitute. I avoid him at all costs now. Fortune 500 company that brings a lot of experience to the table. Second. Once you start working, you'll be persuaded but not forced to take a "joint-work partner" with you. Just asking for a friend.... 3 months later but I just stumbled across this sub and have a meeting with NWM on Tuesday. Indeed.com estimated this salary based on data from 11 employees, users and past and present job ads. Find out how a financial representative internship provides real world experience and can help launch your career. Then I Google, find this subeeddit. He is basically an unpaid salesman right now. Learn about budgeting, saving, getting out of debt, credit, investing, and retirement planning. Most do not, and move along in their careers to something else. Why don't they teach us more technical knowledge about these policies? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the personalfinance community. What do you think? Check out the surrender charges on that annuity, and make sure you're sitting down first. 426 reviews from Northwestern Mutual employees about working as a Financial Representative Intern at Northwestern Mutual. Someone fr the company randomly setup a meeting with me and then tried to sell me life insurance as an investment, which I actually think is illegal at least in some states. In a year or two he will likely either be washed out or be singing a different tune. This is true word for word. I have had the enormous privilege of working with the Northwestern Mutual as a sales representative and now in management. It was a big relief for me. Stay calm. You haven't spoken to them in a long time, and maybe your career is slowing down a bit. You’ll gain exposure to modeling, pricing, products, reserving, and marketing, and receive support as you prepare for your actuarial exams. Still in the biz with a series 7/66. They don't even pay him unless he sells X policies. transfer my current Mutual Fund into a Variable Rate Annuity. It's just hard to watch my little brother get all stressed out about how many policies he has sold. Learn about Northwestern Mutual culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. It's not a sales pitch but a sob story. You can lead a horse to water, but he doesn't want to drink. Actuarial. I was once in sales, and it took me a good month / two months until the illusion dropped and I realized I was in a shit position. Northwestern Mutual is the only company to be recognized as a top 100 internship program 1 for 24 straight years. They try to sell life insurance to anyone who can sign away on a payment plan. I don't think he even submitted the application I signed. He talks about million dollar whole life policies having a "guaranteed cash value", "paying out "dividends", and "growing at 7% each year." He presses me, I give it to him. They pay you no base salary its 100% commision and if someone cancels you have to return money you already used. Definitely glad I avoided it. It's a whole company based on the game of telephone, and by the time the information gets filtered down to you, it's not really true. This seriously needs stickied up top. It's unbelievable what they get away with, and it's more of a management problem than anything - the young reps are just trying to do the right thing, but most of them don't think for themselves much, nor do they do enough independent research. Then I get home and I'm on my computer. He tells you it's time to move on. You've blown through most of your friends, family, old high school buddies, and all the people whose numbers they gave to you. They have graphs and shit. They tend to reel in fresh graduates who are interested in finance and make it seem like a very prestigious place to work with. Can confirm that NYL was very similar. No one said this job was easy. The poor kid spent a ton of money on suits, fancy shoes, and a new watch so he could try to look the part. Why? This feature is not available right now. Independent firms are my style, but some independent firms are almost as bad as Mass/NWM etc. Tons of great salary information on Indeed.com Plan your career in the wide world of finance. I interned at Northwestern Mutual during the summer of 2009 then through the following school year part-time and then again during the summer of 2010. They said I'd learn through joint work, but I still haven't learned enough. It was the classic business scheme: "Too good to be true". They'll let you stay even if you get 250, but, man that's a lot of work. Some of the reps you came up with are already gone, and maybe you miss them. You've noticed that the really likeable coaches and managers aren't giving you as much attention anymore, but hey - if you fail it's your own fault. You are not missing anything here, but your brother has drunk the koolaid. My brother took an "internship" this summer with Northwestern Mutual. That said, I don't think most people on this sub meet that criteria. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FinancialCareers community. She's trained to gauge your personality, and as long as you aren't a completely wet blanket, you'll be qualified to move on to the next round of the interview process. Term life insurance is not an investment. I interviewed with Northwestern Mutual before and it just sounded like some sort of scheme. I tried talking to him about it tonight but he just won't listen. You'll get pissed at them, and you won't talk to them (and they won't talk to you). They'll have scripts - language that you'll have to memorize, and a time-tested strategy based on a scientific method. My biggest problem with Northwestern Mutual is the disdain college reps had for the fiduciary standard. You might even buy some, too! Some of them won't meet with you, even though you're just trying to help them. You know that. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The hard part about northwestern mutual or any other company like it, is your bosses are sales people (they usually started at the bottom once and rose their way up), and so they're naturally effective at convincing you / selling you. I think I have a basic understanding of financial planning. You are unfortunately missing nothing here. When I quit after getting a job at a good independent firm, the joint-work partners I worked with (who got to keep all the clients) were concerned about one thing and one thing only: "can I still call that [insert high net worth position here] we tried to make a client together?". I did some IT consulting at NWM like 10 years ago and got the same spiel. Eventually she'll ask about who you know, but let's not get into that too much. It's a difficult thing to confront, especially when the management level has bought into the con, but there were several cabals of new reps at my office. You're angry, but it's okay - Mass Mutual contacted you through LinkedIn, and they want you to join their firm. Some become successful salespeople, and drink the insurance Koolaid. Make sure your brother doesn't burn too many bridges. Anyone who says whole life is a great investment is either misinformed or getting a cut. They might have one fiduciary per office, but they certainly weren't planning on becoming one. They'll all seem very happy. As a financial representative intern, you’ll have meaningful mentorships, access to strong professional networks, and immediate career opportunities with virtually unlimited earning potential. That's pretty unprofessional to sell to a consultant/supplier. Whenever I got called or emailed this company it was always about the incentives. Northwestern Mutual is the marketing name for The Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance Company and its subsidiaries. It seems he is getting a crash course in life insurance. It sounds good, $200 a month seems right for what I make. The ones you haven't met with yet won't return your calls. They were good dudes. Now you're actually kind of excited. At NWM it was almost entirely sales training, and almost no product training, but the sales training was very good. I signed, and was glad to start on the road to saving money. You sell your college buddies insurance they dont need and they can get out of it within a year and you have to return all of the comission back. It was awesome. At least the knives are decent. Have them open a Roth IRA instead of selling them permanent insurance that is difficult to get out of. "Geez, this product sucks, but Timmy needs this sale...it's tough being a good grandparent these days". Of all the wirehouse firms, two have more kool-aid than any others: Edward Jones and Northwestern Mutual. Frustrating when it's not. I guarantee those reps have never worked for a different firm, nor have they ever looked at what else is out there to compare NWM products with other products. Might as well keep at it. And the dividend on that whole life isn't actually a rate of return like you thought...it's largely just a return of premiums with 2% growth instead of 6% growth like you assumed based on how they explained it. Pros. Let me know if you have any other questions. Time and time again, reps would bombard student org meetings and college classes to talk about finance careers (re: Northwestern Mutual internship program and recruitment). This just isn't the right career for you. High level sales training course, excellent culture, plenty of resources for product knowledge and business support. Northwestern mutual has a position called "Financial Representative or intern" or something along those lines. Which to be fair, in theory, should make him a better salesman. He doesn't know what an IRA is. NWM disability insurance is actually pretty good, but it's certainly not worth the premiums. You are not missing anything. Time and time again, reps would bombard student org meetings and college classes to talk about finance careers (re: Northwestern Mutual internship program and recruitment). They are exactly the same based of this story. Now a guaranteed 7% in the current financial climate would be something! Northwestern Mutual's insurance financial strength ratings: Moody's - Aaa, 3/2010; Standard & Poor's - AAA, 3/2010; Fitch Ratings - AAA, 5/2010; and A.M. Best Company - A++, 3/2010. They recruit anyone and everyone. In firms like nwm the new agents are the prospects and the managers are the real sales people. He's also incentivized to hire you, but he'll make it seem like they don't just hire anybody - and they don't...technically - and even though he'll tell you this business isn't for everybody, you'll realize that this business is for you. Soon enough, you'll meet with one of the most affable people you've ever met. I said I couldn't find it. So for anyone else reading if you think Mass Mutual is any different, you are wrong. granted it's a bit more legit since it's selling insurance instead of fire/ice goat skin condoms for frogs, but it's still an mlm. For myslef, I kept thinking I was going to leave the business one day, 1 year in, 3 years in, 5 years in, omg I be been doing this for over 10 years. So from what it sounds like, your brother has been sold. He already went and took out a term policy for himself. They asked me how big my network is, how big my family was, etc..: I caught on that they just wanted to hire me for my network to sell insurance to. Helpful full-time advisors come along side to offer experience, advice, and leadership in meetings with potential clients. They target these employees because they swallow the pitch hook line and sinker. He wants you to be successful, but it just isn't going to be here. Please try again later. NWM is talking advantage of my naive hard working brother, but I guess this is just going to be a hard learned lesson about the real world. The ending can change but for the most part it will be like that. As an Actuary, you’ll help solve some of our company’s toughest problems by drawing upon your analytical and technical skills. Once you pass the extensive background check (and believe me it's thorough), study for and pass your Life & Health exam, you're good to go! The thing is though, nobody could tell me that, I had to learn it myself. You had to borrow money from your parents to pay your rent and all the premiums on your expensive life insurance policies - they told you that there's statistics that prove NWM reps who have big policies themselves sell big policies. I interviewed only where I had an in through a friend in the business or an internal referral. Good luck. Northwestern Mutual as a company is great -- strong financial stability, security, etc, but the culture within their system for women and POC is horrible. This is spot on to what I feel is going on. Let me explain: He is trying to tell me that life insurance is an investment in and of itself, and that the most important asset anyone has, is their ability to earn an income. If you're at NWM, or if you really want to do this, focus on getting your Series 7 & 66 instead of your Series 6 & 63 like they recommend, and then leave. Press J to jump to the feed. I would suggest you go through the process before making a … He got our phone numbers and called us all several times. At the end of the meeting, you'll even be able to help the "center of influence"!! Eventually, you'll build a list of at least 100 people that you know in the area - friends, family, and other people with money. And if those reps think NWM (or any) whole life insurance is good for even, say, 0.01% of the population they're fucking crazy. Fucking zombies. But then again, if you make it that far you're probably either a sociopath, willfully ignorant, or you just don't care. Northwestern Mutual Financial Representative Intern in the United States makes about $20.09 per hour. Do you feel like you really need a life insurance policy? As far as how to let your brother know, that's though. Didn't you read the handbook? I worked at Mass Mutual, and this is THE SAME EXACT STORY. Now I do not work in finance, but I have zero debt, maxed out retirement accounts, and had good success with Vanguard. You've been there a year now. Now, you may have intelligent friends and family who have done some research, or read some Dave Ramsey, and they know that whole life insurance/permanent life insurance is a bad idea. The hope here is he'll eventually see the light- logic inevitably leads you there, and in the meantime try your best to tolerate is abysmal table talk. Working at Northwestern Mutual for a Year Hey guys, I know this topic has been covered a lot in the past, but its been weighing heavily on my mind and I felt the need to create a Reddit account and share with you my concerns and ask from the community some feedback. At Northwestern Mutual ®, success is mutual.When you intern with us, you’re opening the doors to your future career. I put all these things in quotations because when I looked at the whole life policy document he had, it said it pays back "dividends" out of the over payments from collected premiums. Learn about Northwestern Mutual culture, salaries, benefits, … Maybe one person who is still relatively new to the firm (like you) is doing a great job, but you're in a rut right now. I thought he would get an understanding of setting up a plan to reach financial goals, investments, and insurance. You'll learn how to talk on the phone and convince people to meet with you - even if they object (up to three times). He is 19 years old with no dependents. Having a ridiculous experience with a NWM sales person inspired me to pursue a career in real financial planning. More importantly, they'll show you that in just your first three months working there, you can make up to $64,000 just for helping people! Job Description. This career offers flexibility at a company where hard work is valued and rewarded. I promise my experience was exactly like this. This is the guy that will train you, and he said that as long as you do what he says, you'll have a great life. I could of closed some solid business and decided I liked my friends and family more then a quick check. Once he gives you the sell job, get the details, then show him how much of a better deal the engineer can get online at some other place. Meanwhile all of the policies that were written are kept by the upline managers who get paid. 90 reviews from Northwestern Mutual employees about working as an Intern at Northwestern Mutual. Best Cities for Jobs 2020 NEW! The ones that are still there, struggling just like you, have the same concerns you have. Throat punch and then a link to bogleheads ought to do. Or maybe you'll be one of the few people who actually makes it work at NWM. Almost no one needs permanent life insurance, and putting 40% into an ACL (NWM's whole life) policy is going to get you slow growth and a fat commission for the rep. Plus, how do they justify selling ACL to someone with no dependents?? This is just a tiny bit of what he talks about all the time. I wouldn't worry too much though, just keep prodding him with questions to get him to think (do you really like it there? If you're new to the industry and have any questions feel free to hit me up! MILWAUKEE, Oct. 13, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Northwestern Mutual today announced that the company's nationally-recognized financial representative internship program was named by Vault.com the #1 internship for students seeking careers in the financial services industry.. Northwestern Mutual ranks #4 overall across all industries on the Vault's Top 50 Internships for 2017, and is the only … My biggest problem with Northwestern Mutual is the disdain college reps had for the fiduciary standard. They recruit almost anyone and everyone. And even though it may be hard to resist, and everyone else is doing it, don't sell people things they don't need. Classier than Cutco Knives, but still the same thing. 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